What needs to be rewritten in Naw rules
 General   Started by Chas Irving   2017-03-20 09:47:32 +01:00   Comments: 41    Viewed: 676

  1. Chas Irving
    Chas Irving Member

     

    Measurements:

    P14 “The measurements between units...”

    Rewrite as: “For example you may measure the distance between your unit and the enemy unit to ensure both units remain at least 4” apart. This measurement is taken from the closest part of your unit to the closest part of the enemy unit.”

    P14 “When we measure the distance of movement...”

    Rewrite as: “When we measure the movement distance of the Command Base, the measurement is taken from the front of the Command Base once it has been turned.” 

    Declaring distances:

    P14 “For example, if you state your intention on entering a forest....”

    Rewrite as: “For example, if you state your intentions to enter a forest to take advantage of the protection the forest offers and you place at least half of your bases completely within the forest, you will always have the protection of the forest even if you accidently move a base out of the forest.”

    Advantage and disadvantage:

    P15 “For example, an artillery unit....”

    Rewrite as: “For example, an artillery unit of the Old Guard comprised of four bases, and classified as ELITE, which has unlimbered in its previous movement phase, fires at a British infantry unit and its skirmishers positioned in a forest.”

    More to come.

    Chas Irving, 2017-03-20 09:47:32 +01:00
  2. David Brown
    David Brown Member
    One item that I don't think the FAQ looked at was assaulting Buildings, if you charge one and capture it, the other guy, if he had earlier parked a unit within 4 of the building (or just behind it) now forces the charger back out of the building.  

    You can now combine this with a creatively-placed objective marker.

    Regards

    David F Brown
    David Brown, 2017-03-20 23:01:41 +01:00
  3. Chas Irving
    Chas Irving Member
    David, the above suggestions are just rewrites of the current rules to a more understandable english language. NaW did not translate well in some sections of the book.
    Chas Irving, 2017-03-21 08:46:17 +01:00
  4. Chas Irving
    Chas Irving Member

    Simone don't forget to check the NaW FAQ.

    Amendments from the NaW FAQ

    Terrain effects chart

    P26 insert to chart a ‘D’ for Disadvantage in the box Infantry Fire Marsh.

     

    Moving artillery units

    P41 add to the paragraph “When an artillery battery unlimbers, replace the limber with one of the artillery bases aligned where the front of the limber is.”

     

    Command and control

    P43 add Replacement Generals have to be placed in command with at least one of their units.

     

    Firing at artillery units:

    P48 Add Raw infantry re-roll hits against unlimbered non-compressed artillery TWICE. This is an exception to the dice rolling rules on page 14.

     

    Skirmisher casualties caused by infantry fire:

    P52 add When firing with Raw troops, check for skirmisher casualties before re-rolling hits.

     

    Firefights:

    P55 “For example, the firing unit declares its target and fires,....” Add to end of sentence. “This is modified by terrain factors (see p.26) like other shooting.”

     

    Which units can charge or be charged at:

    P58, 4th paragraph. Correct the first sentence to read ‘No unit situated outside of command distance at the start of the charge movement can charge the enemy’. This means that if a commander is eliminated during a charge, it may mean that other members of his force cannot charge. However, a breakthrough charge can be made when out of command.

     

    Move to contact:

    P59 add new paragraph after 2nd paragraph “On the rare occurrence that a charging unit contacts two units at exactly the same distance, the controller of the charging unit decides which one to fight. Note that if the charging unit is a cavalry unit and wins the combat, it could do a breakthrough charge onto the other unit contacted.

    If a general is contacted by an enemy unit, it must attach to the nearest friendly unit.”

     

    Retreat

    P62 Add new sentence to first paragraph: If the charging unit starts ……., the latter result being taken as definitive.(insert) “If the retreating unit does not pass the DT, it cannot return any defensive fire. The attacking enemy does not, therefore, have to pass an ET in order to complete the charge.”

     

    Retreat

    P63 Add new sentence to end of paragraph 4, “Retreating units that cannot complete a full retreat move without being stopped by impassable terrain or enemy are eliminated.”

     

    Reactions of a cavalry unit charged by cavalry

    P65 add to end of 2nd paragraph “Cavalry can only be charged by infantry if the cavalry is in a Wood or Forest, or is in March Column. In this case, the cavalry may choose to Receive the Charge, or Evade (light cavalry only).”

     

    Reactions of a cavalry unit charged by cavalry

    1. Evade the charge (only Light Cavalry)

    Add to end of 1st paragraph “If a cavalry unit charges a light cavalry unit and the light cavalry evades, the charging unit cannot make a Breakthrough Charge.”

     

    Reaction of an artillery unit charged by cavalry or infantry

    1. Fleeing with guns

    P66 Add a new paragraph at end of section 3. Fleeing with guns.“If the DT is not passed, the combat is settled without the attacking unit receiving any fire and without having to pass an Elan Test.”

     

    Infantry that fail an Elan test

    P68 paragraph 6, If a unit is defeated in a Firefight , it must retreat a complete move directly away from the enemy unit. (insert) “If an artillery battery was the target of the charge, is involved in a firefight and loses, it limbers and then retreats.”

     

    Cavalry that fail an Elan test

    P68 In the section that refers to ‘the charging unit’ replace with ‘the charged unit’.

     

    Flank Charges and morale tests

    P71The diagram on the bottom right is incorrect. The British line infantry unit should have formed column before moving, as explained on page 18.

     

    Breakthrough cavalry charge

    P72 If a cavalry unit charges … 6” in a straight line against the first enemy unit it meets.  (insert) When cavalry make a breakthrough charge, determine if the charging unit is to the flank or rear of the second target unit from the position where it contacts the first unit it charged.

    Chas Irving, 2017-03-21 08:52:57 +01:00
  5. David Brown
    David Brown Member
    Hi there

    It will probably help if the 2nd ed team can tell us how they intend to process the ideas / clarification of their rules.

    For example will they produce a draft of the copy for us to trial and comment on, will they put suggestions into a yes / maybe, needs testing / no,  basket so we know when to stop flogging the dead horse. It will help us know how we can best use our time to help.

    David F Brown
    David Brown, 2017-03-22 02:49:22 +01:00
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  6. Chas Irving
    Chas Irving Member
    David, I agree
    Chas Irving, 2017-03-22 04:59:27 +01:00
  7. J.E.Petersen
    J.E.Petersen Member Viborg
    Hi its bin quit for some time now again :)
    J.E.Petersen, 2017-03-23 16:53:38 +01:00
  8. Riton 34140
    Riton 34140 Member


    I agree to
    Riton 34140, 2017-03-24 17:20:56 +01:00
  9. simone volpi
    simone volpi Administrator Staff Member
    Hi Everybody,

    I thought the best way could be to start sharing changes/testing etc...with a number of people (which I would like you guys to decide), I guess the easiest way would be to communicate via mail rather that on this forum, which certainly can be used to provide updates to all interested/concerned.......in my opinion this excercise should limited to lets say 5/6 groups.....and certainly once a draft ofV2 is ready it could be circulated for trials/comments......what do you guys say?
    simone volpi, 2017-03-25 09:56:25 +01:00
  10. Chas Irving
    Chas Irving Member
    Yes sound OK.

    Chas Irving, 2017-03-25 10:00:08 +01:00
  11. simone volpi
    simone volpi Administrator Staff Member
    Well then we could start by "creating" such groups....if everybody is in line with the idea
    simone volpi, 2017-03-25 10:03:47 +01:00
  12. simone volpi
    simone volpi Administrator Staff Member
    Please guys take the time to check out the pictures of the new miniatures (on CibosLittleDudes facebook)....I would appreciate your comments if possible. thanks.
    simone volpi, 2017-03-25 10:25:52 +01:00
  13. Riton 34140
    Riton 34140 Member
    size : 15 or 18mm ?

    As a former soldier, I am quite franco  French when I play ... professional deformation...maybe

    I wait for the French allies...
    Riton 34140, 2017-03-25 11:04:37 +01:00
  14. simone volpi
    simone volpi Administrator Staff Member
    size will be same as existing units, so 18mm, well large 18mm.....

    the Bavarians have been commissioned already, next I ma thinking is few German allied regs....


    simone volpi, 2017-03-25 11:50:52 +01:00
  15. Riton 34140
    Riton 34140 Member
    thanks !

    Bavarian army, OK,

    looking for Westphalians... and their guard... specially "chasseurs carabiniers"... I don't know why but Ilike them
    Riton 34140, 2017-03-25 15:44:34 +01:00
  16. David Brown
    David Brown Member
    Hi there Simone, my club does a lot of rules testing for various people, I'd be happy to host games and provide feedback.

    regards

    David F Brown
    David Brown, 2017-03-25 23:05:28 +01:00
  17. David Brown
    David Brown Member
    What was the idea behind limbered artillery being so vulnerable?  Was it just an artefact of having only one base depicting the formation and a desire to not use markers to show nominal hits to guns?

    I'm not sure that such artillery was that vulnerable, they were pretty mobile and would move up and deploy into a firing position if fired upon.

    Maybe the rule should be that if they take a hit they also shake out into deployment and face the enemy guns - or perhaps even  that they might be forced to either retire or deploy under any fire and computation of the shooting now happens.

    Sticking with guns, the rules covering the options for charged gunners to shoot point-blank or seek shelter with infantry friends is one that many people got wrong and needs to be clearly explained in the 2nd ed.

    Still sticking with guns, I'm not sure if artillery should be penalised when shot at from flank - I think most nations had a doctrine to deploy their guns in a stagger - some forward of others - to minimise the effect of being enfaladed.

    David F Brown
    David Brown, 2017-03-25 23:19:40 +01:00
  18. Chas Irving
    Chas Irving Member
    DB I agree with your comment on the options being confusing. The stand and shoot option should be placed last of the 4 options.

    Chas Irving, 2017-03-26 00:44:02 +01:00
  19. Chas Irving
    Chas Irving Member
    Simone, send me an email (the forum has my email address) with more details when you get them.
    Chas Irving, 2017-03-26 00:53:24 +01:00
  20. Riton 34140
    Riton 34140 Member


    Club Systemlan (France) ready fot testing !


    Riton 34140, 2017-03-26 16:44:39 +02:00
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